- #SAM AND FRODO FRIENDSHIP GOALS ODYSSEY ONLINE FULL#
- #SAM AND FRODO FRIENDSHIP GOALS ODYSSEY ONLINE SERIES#
If you are queer in particular and prefer to read them as gay, that is not detestable and totally your own business. They will also generally be people who have only seen the movies.
This is specifically directed at people who joke or argue that they are gay in a derisive tone, which is what I find detestable. It is an incomplete masculinity, the kind which is cruel, blunt, and deeply uncertain of itself.Īnytime you hear someone with this crap, shoot it down, and remember that what Tolkien gave us is what we should have been seeing in male heroic figures all this time.Įdit: I am being reminded that some fans prefer to read their relationship as gay, just as some people prefer to interpret Frodo's relationship with Sam as exploitative (employer v. The kind of person - and society - which has to deal with discomfort and homophobic sentiment (largely manifesting as awkward jokes) around these expressions and this distinction is a prime example of masculinity lacking in subtlety, maturity, and emotional intelligence. I tell my male friends I love them regularly, and it is pretty clear to anyone who isn't more infantile than a school child that this is distinct from romantic love, from being in love. Now, I feel this is just staggeringly obvious. He is not confessing that he is in romantic love with him. When he tells Frodo he loves him, that love is brotherly. Sam too is exemplary of dedication, love, bravery and pure kinship. Aragorn and Faramir are both exemplars of the former, though the story of Legolas and in particular Gimli can tear me up to this day. Villains are typically prideful, aggressive, possessive, jealous, or clutch at what little power they have left like cowards, leaning on authority and intimidation to get what they want. Tolkien's heroic men are smart, caring, tender, emotional-yet-restrained and dignified, brave-yet-not-brash and stupid, and in general wonderful people who clearly embody masculine qualities without ignoring the feminine.
#SAM AND FRODO FRIENDSHIP GOALS ODYSSEY ONLINE SERIES#
Of all the things people who aren't really fans of the series like to jab at, this attempt to assert that Sam and Frodo are gay has always been the stupidest and most detestable in my opinion (edit: when used as an attack), not because it would be bad if they were, but because it is coming from a hyper-masculine and emotionally infantile viewpoint.įirst, Tolkien's treatment of masculinity has long been my favorite in literature. There are other Tolkien-themed subreddits out there! Say hello to our friends in the following places: We're looking at starting a wiki for these common ones. Try searching before posting a new thread: odds are we've already covered some of the "classic" questions ("Who is Tom Bombadil?", "What happened to the Blue Wizards?", "Why couldn't the Eagles just take the Ring?" etc). Please make use of r/TolkienBooks and r/TolkienArt for these. Posts/comments centring entirely on promotion will be removed. You can share your content, but in a discussion-based format. Links are allowed, so long as they contribute to the discussion. No posts that are simply links or title-only. (Some more obscure topics we will allow.) There are other spaces on Reddit to discuss the movies, games, fanfiction, AI-generated content, etc. This sub is intended primarily for serious posts, although humour in discussion is still welcome.ĭon’t discuss topics that stray too far away from having the centre of attention on Tolkien and his works. Stick to the topic instead of commenting on others. No insults, and no aggressive or passive-aggressive comments.
#SAM AND FRODO FRIENDSHIP GOALS ODYSSEY ONLINE FULL#
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